The Library of Spanking Fiction: Wellred Weekly


Wellred Weekly
Volume 1, Number 3 : December 10, 2011
 
Articles
Items of interest regarding all things spanking

A Look at F/M Spanking Videos
by Rollin

Cassie Hunter
Spanking video is huge. There are probably worldwide, more than 70 commercial producers of M/F spanking videos and if you count the less visible ones, that number probably exceeds 150. There are also commercial producers of F/M spanking videos, but not as many. There are probably 25-30 well known companies that routinely include F/M fare as at least part of their portfolio. Some have gone out of business, like Jennifer Brooks. Others like pacific Force are still around but less visible. I am not even including the shirt-tail and amateur operations that inhabit sites like clips4sale.com.

Spanking video is strictly visual. You might be tempted to say, well that's not a very profound statement but compared to other art forms like spanking literature, it helps to be aware of the context. Spanking video is all about the action - the money shots. Contrasted with literature or art or even photography, it's relentlessly devoted to action and only action. Very little plot, thin dialog, almost no mood or scene setting.

A few producers attempt to incorporate elements of dialog and plot in these videos, but even so, the quality of such efforts is well short of even the most pathetic D-list grindhouse movie standards. I'll have to mention the few that try. In the US, it's Shadow Lane. In Europe, it's Lupus. Shadow Lane videos frequently attempt to tell a story, and there is a plot line that goes beyond the simple 'infraction-punishment' model. The problem is in the execution. The characters are not actors. No one has written a script. They make it up on the spot (at least that's what it looks like). If the acting and the script writing could only rise to the level of a daytime soap opera, it would seem like a masterpiece of spanko cinematic art.

So if it's all action, no story, is it good action? In M/F videos the answer is - sometimes. But when surveying F/M scenarios, the answer is, regrettably, no - with a couple of exceptions. So why is that? Some M/F videos are very good at carrying off domestic or school scenes. The girls are hot and they get into it. Many sites like Punished Brats and Firmhand have big followings.

Dana Specht
Not so with the F/M genre. Aficionados of F/M fantasy are focused on two things. First, the dominant woman. She has to have certain attributes. She may be beautiful (or not), but she is commanding and stern and very vocal. She not only scolds and shames, she is quite explicit as to what she intends to do. Guys fantasize that it is they that she is scolding. They are the ones who are bound to obey this commanding woman. They are in thrall to her. So naturally she is important.

But there is no shortage of beautiful, stern, commanding women who can act the part and they do it very well. Dana Specht, Kelly Payne, Audrey Knight, Jacqueline Omerta, Julia Jamison, Cassie Hunter, Dana Kane, Christine Justice -- the list is long. Any guy who is a sub male has no trouble with his fantasy any time any of these women are on the screen.

The problem lies with the male submissive. Visualization of a fantasy depends on seeing the fantasy as we imagine it would play out. If the fantasy is about an older woman taking a young man in hand, there are a couple of things that are important. The first is age appropriateness. It doesn't work on screen if the guy is 50-60 years old and he's pretending to be her 18 year old 'nephew'. It is in fact, ludicrous and looks like it. Ditto huge middle-aged guys.

But this is not the biggest problem. The number one problem in all of F/M video is the near total lack of reaction by the sub male. Contrast this with literature or even still photography. In the best F/M stories the sub male who is over his lady's knee wriggles, protests and squeals. He blushes and squirms and pleads for her to stop. Do you ever see this in an F/M video? Sadly, no. What you see is an immobile lump taking everything the Domme hands out without a wiggle or a whimper. He doesn't argue, he doesn't protest, he doesn't whine. He lies there. The video looks like what she's doing is tenderizing tonight's rump roast. End of drama, end of fantasy - it's not there.

I don't know where they get these guys, but there must be some talent agency somewhere who will send over, on demand, middle-aged stoic males who can take a licking and not move a muscle or utter a sound. Maybe they have something to prove, but it makes for awful video.

Dana Kane
Is it all like this? Maybe not. Maybe there is the gold mine of F/M video somewhere that presents realistic fantasy situations and executes them well. Maybe the Kelly Paynes, Audrey Knights and Dana Spechts of the world will get their act together and start producing videos that look like the fantasies you read about. Maybe the donkey will learn to talk.

Actually, at one time there were such videos. They were produced by a male spankee character. I don't know his name. He has been called alternately John, Clint, or Bobby. He surfaced for the first time in a series of vids that he must have produced that were sold by Nu-West. These were the John and Heather or Pennsylvania Momma videos. In all of them you see an authentic-looking domestic discipline scene between an older, taller, more physical woman and a youngish juvenile male who kicks, pleads and cries as she spanks him through several different archetypal scenarios like mom/son, teacher/student, paperboy/woman-next-door, husband/wife, babysitter/boy.

Next he appears in two Stern Stepsister videos from Scarlet Hills which feature CFNM scenes and sexual confusion from the spankings that result in erections.

Next was the short-lived Mom's Knee site that migrated to clips4sale.com. This one featured a tall rangy blond 'mom' who played the stern disciplinarian to the hilt. As Clint, her forever-getting-into-trouble step son, the young man cried, wriggled and pleaded while taking ferocious whackings, mostly with hand and paddle.

Lastly there was the OTK Mom site, again on clips4sale.com with Miss Chris, a well known Domme who has appeared in many spanking videos on other sites.

After that he disappeared. OTK Mom has not produced anything since 2009. Both sites have disappeared from clips4sale. This guy, whoever he was, was the only one that I have seen that authentically created an F/M spanking fantasy on video. Why more producers don't get a clue and learn from this guy, I cannot fathom.

Christine Justice
I cannot leave this discussion without mentioning Nu-West. Nu-West has over the years produced the most authentic looking still photography in the business. Some of their videos are quite good too. In the 80's and 90's Nu-West had a male sub named David. Blessed with whole cadre of great dominant women like Julia Jamison, Tessara Moore, Chelsea, Debra, and Allison, all they needed was an authentic looking sub male. They found it in David. He was young, slender, subservient, and best of all, spankings gave him an erection. He wasn't as vocal as Bobby/Clint/John but he wasn't just an inanimate lump either. He reacted. He has since left the business.

Which brings us full circle. There are to my knowledge (which, admittedly, is limited at best) no heirs to Bobby/Clint/John or to David. Lacking this essential element of an F/M spanking video, a male who looks and acts the part, this segment of the video community is, at present anyway, as dead as a doornail. I would like for someone to prove me wrong.
 
50 comments:
pygyos said...
You are so right. The Fm video and still picture world is a near total wasteland (though there is a limited amount of good art). The fantasy for me is the young male/boy spanked with love and strictness by an older woman. Humiliation is not what I am talking about, but full frontal nudity is a must, and I think for both sexes, visual arousal would be very welcome- but those are things you never see. some attempt at good acting and storyline would be wonderful, but almost too much to ask for. I am straight, but the point is that I can imagine myself as the naked and excited spankee. An unnatractive middle aged side of beef, emiting nothing more than the occaissional grunt as his ass is being turned to a purple mess doesn't do it for me and I wonder if it does anything for anyone. Maybe that's why none of them stay in business. And what is the near complete reticence about showing male genitals? This is the internet! Maybe it's that the subs are always as limp as a worm on the sidewalk after a rain. As my twenty something neice pointed out once "A limp willy just isn't interesting." Get some Viagra on the set. Dana Kane (shown above) has a great manner, but the subs never show their faces, let alone their "private bits." I think I discovered at some point that the folks who bring us Spanking Teen Brandy and Jessica and so on, and who also do a FM site don't pay the models. They certainly pay the female subs. Their site is a fine example of getting what you pay for. Again, it's pretty coy about male nudity, and an erection? perish the thought. Maybe there simply is no market for FM spanking erotica, but I doubt it.
9 December 2011 22:47
sugarmouse said...
The biggest problem with the lack of genuine story with the videos is that unfortunately that tends to make them incredibly funny because they are so poor. :) A pity, that!
10 December 2011 01:03
Seegee said...
I was so in love with Julia Jameson when she first started editing Ma'am. A favourite these days is Clare Fonda.
10 December 2011 03:19
Collegeboy said...
Being into X/M as opposed to just F/M, I have seen a number of M/M video sites that have young guys and their videos do have that semblance of plot, dialog, and even humor that many better X/F videos have. SpankThis comes to mind in particular. Too bad that some of the F/M studios can't entice some of these 18-20 yr twinks over to do a video or two.
10 December 2011 17:08
bendover said...
I have to agree also. My favorites in F/M spanking ladies are:

Elizabeth Burns
Dana Specht
Christine Justice (scary)
Anne Bowman (wow can she smack an ass)
Mistress Ebb
Kelly Payne

Dana Kane does nothing for me. She's too smiley. She always looks and acts like she's hopped up on happy pills. Audrey Knight is all right, but a little tiny.

Another turnoff is the HUGE guy over the little lady's knee. It just looks foolish. If the guys hands and feet are touching the floor it doesn't hold water with me.

Then there's the "Shut the hell up and spank" videos. All talk. How annoying. A lot of spanking videos tend to that if they're European more than anyone else. I guess it may be the lecture thing that their trying to convey. I don't mean to offend anyone.

Now Mom's Knee. Oh, yes! That woman could spank. And Clint was just the right size for her powerful looking legs.

Rollin, this was great. Truly enjoyable.

B
10 December 2011 20:35
rollin said...
I once raised this issue with a producer who shall go unnamed, but her response was to be offended. I had noted that her male subs were too old to be nephews.
11 December 2011 02:21
islandcarol said...
You are a man of many talents.After reading your review, I could have an intelligent conversation on this subject.
My experience with spanling videos is limited. Your review is a great eye opener, A pity good examples of this form of erotica grows more scarce each year.
Enjoyed
11 December 2011 03:50
smeple said...
I agree about the acting in most F/M videos - it is terrible. And I don't like men who are too stoic, or too fat, or too big for the lady who is spanking them. Having said that, I don't much like the Mom's knee vids either, b/c the man being spanked is way too whiney and shrill.

As Rollin points out, David in the old Nu-West videos was very good - he reacted, often grunted or said "oww" with each smack, occasionally kicked and squirmed, but never left the woman's lap before he was told to. More currently, Cassie Hunter's (pictured above) victims almost always react, no matter what implement she uses, b/c she hits so hard - she doesn't seem to hold back on any of her swings. I've seen a few vids recently with "Mistress Zoe" and the sub man most definitely has reactions to her smacking and somewhat bemused scoldings.

My personal favorite lady spanker was/is Kailee (I believe her last name is Robinson), who is/was also oftimes on the receiving end. Kailee gives good rear burning spankings - she is slender, but packs a wallop, to be sure. But it is the wry expressions on her cupie-doll face, and the little smiles and amused comments she occasionally makes while spanking, which get me every time. She usually elicits just the right amount of reaction from her spankees, making the entire session look and feel more realistic. She used to be with Women Spanking Men; she may be elsewhere now.

Now, if you go back a few years, there was the incomparable Ms. Hadda (and Paul). Unlike Kailee, she didn't smile much, but was all business when it came to spanking Paul. And boy, she sure could hit, and she didn't stop until she was finished, no matter what Paul's reactions were. She was the first woman I ever saw who used a carpet beater as an implement, but she was also expert with the cane and bathbrush.

In the Kelly Payne vids, there was a woman named Daisa who I liked. Not only did she hit hard, but she was a large (though not fat) woman, who was loud and bossy, and scolded with an accent that could only be from NY. (Either that, or she was the Meryl Streep of spanking vids). Haven't seen her around in quite a while, so I don't know where to find her now - if anywhere.

In my view, I guess it is not only the level of severity of the spanking which is important, but also the attitude of the woman delivering it (which could be strict, bemused, or anything else - as long as there is a passion and some 'tude there). Put that together with the right sub, one who has the appropriate corresponding reactions to the spanker's talents, and you get a quality video, even if none of the participants will ever be compared to Tracy and Hepburn.
11 December 2011 04:41
dan2bend said...
I was taken back in time at the photo of Christine Justice. In the late 80's I had the opportunity to do a spanking session with her in Hollywood (the city, itself, not "movieland") where she worked at times as a domme.

I recall she had a great sense of humor and a very strong right arm! As a sub, I prefer some light hearted banter and tend to be a "smart-ass" as I earn the actual physical description of that term. She was quick witted and a lot of fun even though my bottom recalled our session every time I sat for several days!
11 December 2011 15:20
jericorose said...
You're right Rollin. I think that the problem with the male actors is the fact that they have been in the scene so long that they may have developed a high tolerance. What you need is for some one to record one of these gals with a newbee. Then the reactions will probably be much more visceral. Don't forget that we guys have been brought up to bottle our emotions, anger sure, crying no, especially around strangers. When it comes to lady spankers Alexis Payne always does it for me. She reminds me so much of the teachers I had in Catholic grade school. A dark-haired no-nonsense beauty. Shadow Lane's "Hard Discipline" where she puts Kiri Kelly through her paces always does it for me, especially when Kiri says something that makes her laugh out loud, a very real moment that made me love her more.
12 December 2011 15:49
bendover said...
Has anyone noticed the spankee's also have red bottoms right after they bare their bottoms? This just goes to show us that they've already did a video prior to the one they're currently making. So, Rollin's theory is probably right. They've grown accostomed to being smacked time after time. It's the same with the women, too.
12 December 2011 17:12
blimp said...
I have never seriously sat down and watched a F/M video. However I must say from the photographs that Cassie Hunter has the look! The eyes definitely have it with dominant women!! Interesting article especially as I know nothing about the F/M video scene. I think its those hairy bums that would put me off!
12 December 2011 22:34
opb said...
I do enjoy a spanking video, but I find that X/m does absolutely nothing for me, even though I enjoy F/m in literature, and do imagine myself in the sub's position ( I do this even if it's a female spankee)
The bottom line (sic) is that I find the female bottom infinitely more attractive than the male one, though of course this is subjective.

What Rollin says about the difference between literature and video is very apt, and I agree that script and acting standards are generally truly awful, with the exception in my opinion of Lupus who do seem to care as much about plot, situation, props, scenery and acting as with the implement-on-bottom action. OK, they're M/f, but I imagine that the reason that they don't branch out into F/m is a commercial one, there's far more folk willing to pay to see pretty women being thrashed than even pretty men.
13 December 2011 14:56
TheEnglishMaster said...
Thanks - a very learned and thought-provoking article. Video leaves much less to the imagination than literature: a quicker fix, I guess. The recent Miss Brown films (F/F) such as 'Detention' and 'Revision' have pretty good acting, though I agree with the general view that script and acting standards are really poor.
13 December 2011 19:24
SNM said...
There's a female spanking star/producer who is trying to do just this. Pandora Blake's new site, "Dreams of Spanking." I haven't seen any of the content myself, but she wrote several articles similar to this one before her site went up. She also mentioned that F/M with an attractive, responsive /M is more likely to attract a female audience as well.

Anyway, very strong article you've written. You said a lot of what I was planning to say in an article of my own sometime; thanks for saving me the trouble!
15 December 2011 07:27
Naughty_Clyde said...
I tend to agree with you. There are a few good spanking scenes at the paysite "Women Spanking Men", but for the most part, the guy just lies there and takes a very hard whipping. That is where I like the stories better than the movies. At least there is a reaction and story line, and your imagination will always be better than a movie.
15 December 2011 22:08
tbs said...
I would absolutely agree that the main problem is with the (lack of) reaction by the spankee. The "clint etc." films are probably at the top, just because of the reasons mentioned. A few of Dana Spechts earlier films have the right elements - including age and reaction.

Auntie Jennifer, who mainly did site videos also gets high marks for more realism. In her case, when the "schoolboy" type is apparently older, it is clear that this is roleplay and not just mis-casting.

This is also what makes a few posts on Spanking Tube good - production elements are crude, but reactions are much more credible.
16 December 2011 03:11
bendover said...
tbs,

Now that you mention spanking tube, I recall a vid with a spankee named Sammi. She embarrassed her friend by getting drunk and acting up in front of her friends parents. Her friend strips her in the kitchen and uses a hairbrush. All you can hear is "I can't I can't I can't" and so realistic. Damn, I can't find that vid anymore. It was the best F/F I've ever seen.
17 December 2011 16:47
lusher said...
Just like mainstream porn, I find truly amateur spanking movies way more arousing and real than pro productions. The challenge is finding them in a sea of drek. I find spankingtube fairly useless because you can't filter amateurs from pros, and user-submitted channels like youporn and submityourflicks are more miss than hit. That's just regarding the M/F stuff I usually seek...I can't imagine the frustration of trying to hunt out good F/M material.

One suggestion that's helped me: try curated blogs like the Chross Guide (chross.blogt.ch) or amateur tumblrs like femaledomination.tumblr.com. Do tag searches and follow intriguing posts back to their original sources, if provided. Good luck!
18 December 2011 20:49
brian9 said...
Very interesting article and I agree with all of your observations. Most F/m and even M/f and F/f videos are just one long and boring spanking. My favorite stories (and the kind I mostly write) are F/m stories, (mostly, Mom/son, Aunt/nephew, Teacher/student, Babysitter/charge) where there is a plot line that has the spanker interacting with the spankee prior to and after the actual spanking. The boy (or girl) misbehaves and the female authority figure confronts him (or her), announces what the punishment will be, carries out the punishment and "forgives but justfies" the punishment afterward. The pre and post spanking dialog are extremely important.

However, for all of the reasons you mentioned in your article, videos of the F/m genre just don't seem to work, while some of the F/f videos do seem to work. The F/f videos that really seem to work for me are from Punished Brats and the vides from Real Spankings because they do have a plausible story line and the female actors are able to mostly carry it off.

The one exception I found in F/m videos was a video titled "Caught Toking" which featured the actor Clint as mentioned above. The mother in the film was an actress that I've never seen before or after, but she was very believable I found the video on the Internet, but was never able to find the studio that produced it.

Audrey Knight has some pretty good videos and I really like Clare Fonda. They're both really good in the F/f scenes, but not very good in the F/m videos and I think it's because there is no real plot line, poor dialog and an unbelievable male character who just lies there without a sound.

That's my opinion anyway. Great article.
3 January 2012 15:18
bendover said...
I hear ya Brian,

The problem with Audrey Knight and a few others is that they're too small for most of the guys. It just looks kind of foolish to me. I tend to enjoy the F/F vids more than the rest.

5 January 2012 01:33
rollin said...
brian9, that movie is also called "Caught Smoking" and it features "Heather" from the "Deluxe Studios" productions later marketed by Nu-West as described in my article above. She is in all of them.
5 January 2012 19:52
swishswitch said...
This is not my view at all.
Not surprising really as I am precisely that old male sub who appears in these F/M videos. I have worked with Cassie Hunter, Katie Stricktland Jessica Wood, Amy Hunter, The Governess, Dublin O'Brien, Miss Zoe and a host of others. All on the East side of the pond but I did do one shoot with Kendra who used to work for Kink.com. I had a staring role in Miss Brown's film Medical Misdemeanors where I played both Dom and Sub roles.
I suppose it is hard for me to be objective but the overwhelming opinion here is that it is mostly crap.
Well to be honest I don't care what you think. The material actually sells really well. Quite apart from that I have had the time of my life doing this work. Met wonderfull people and made great friends. I feel I truly belong to an active, fun loving, laugh a minute spanking community. So there is some value in these videos, but maybe only for those who make them.
6 January 2012 02:07
swishswitch said...
Oh, and one more thing. My 13 entries in this Library have been read 184 times.
My 3 clips on Spanking tube have been viewed 200,000 times.
Case dismissed.
6 January 2012 02:30
catharsis said...
I am the perfect male spankee model, particularly for Rollin's films. None of this stoic, "take it like a man" silence. As my wonderful female spanker will attest, I am an "expressive" spankee.

Why is that? Do I have an unusually low tolerance for pain? Am I a wimp?

No, I don't think so. One thing is that my spanker spanks in reverse -- most spankers start softly to warm up, then get harder and harder. But she starts as hard as she can, with a fraternity paddle on a bare restrained bottom (mine!), then eases up as her arm tires. As my author's bio says, she can (and does) regress me from a mature professional to a bawling boy in just one swat! Then she just keeps going.

The other reason is that I do not embarrass easily. Simply listen to my song, "My Spanker She Don't Bust My Ass No More" to realize that, despite the fact I cannot sing, create lyrics, compose a tune, or build a good musical acccompaniment, I do all of these for public view in that song. When it comes to being spanked, if I feel at all like yelling, I yell! I have been spanked by Audrey Knight, and she and I were both laughing (and I was yelling)... it was a vocally joyful hard spanking session.

So... I will soon be offering my services as a paid professional male spanking model. If you, as a spanker, want to know that you are having an effect, spank me! From the first blow, you will know that you are powerful and effective. If you, as a viewer such as Rollin, wonder if that object being swatted is alive or is a dummy, watch me get spanking. You will certainly see that I am both!
17 January 2012 03:41
Wadesnickers said...
If the bottom is already red when the spankee first bares the bottom it would appear that fake red was added before the so called spanking started.
19 March 2012 00:59
PandoraBlake said...
I think there's more quality in a lot of existing F/M video than is suggested here, but what there isn't is variety. If you want to watch Femdom videos focussing on a female top who mostly interacts with the camera, then there's some excellent material out there. However, if you want to see attractive, masculine submissive men with faces, voices, personalities - and if you want to see female tops and male bottoms interacting and sharing genuine rapport and chemistry - then there's much less available.

I came onto the scene as a female bottom, and didn't really have much of an interest in watching men getting spanked. But after a while I realised that it wasn't that I didn't want to watch men getting spanked, I just didn't like most of the available options for doing so. Watching boys being beaten in real life was great - I found myself simultaneously identifying and empathising with the victim, and sadistically urging his top on. I discovered that men's bottoms are frequently gorgeous and highly spankable. It made me long for videos that focussed on the male spankee.

When I started making spanking video, I decided to explore this avenue. So my new site has films of me being punished alongside a boy. It has emotional dominance and submission and intense power exchange between female tops and male bottoms. I hire real couples wherever possibly for genuine sexual chemistry.

I've just come home from directing an F/M shoot which included, I think, a first: a male bottom having his beard shaved off on camera in a frankly scorching marital discipline scene starring Dana Kane and new star spankee Mike Stryker. It includes the freshly shaven and very contrite Mike being spanked in an adorable pair of dropseat pyjamas over Dana's lap. His red bubble butt was a vision rising out of the jammies and when Dana got him to call her "Mummy" it was one of those perfect moments of kinky harmony.

Anyway, I won't go on too long, but I just wanted to poke my head above the parapet and say, as a producer, I have noticed this too, and I'm doing something about it.

If you want to see male spankees with good looks and charm, cute schoolboys and cheeky husbands arguing back and getting hard spankings for their trouble, please google my project Dreams of Spanking and check it out. There's a tonne of free preview pics on the site of blog and you don't have to be a member to comment. I would appreciate any feedback or constructive criticism from fans of F/M spanking!
28 March 2012 10:32
bendover said...
I clicked on it and then realized I made a comment in the WRW. I still hold to that particular comment.

B.
1 June 2012 17:11
Sebastian said...
A good enlightenment to the F/M problem. I could never find a real good "authentic style" movie.
2 June 2012 02:28
CrimsonKidCK said...
Audrey Knight's boyfriend/lover, Stefan, is one of the worst 'offenders' in this area of unrealistic stoicism. She'll be lambasting his bare behind with a strap or paddle while he's hardly reacting at all, and even worse are the times that he's carrying on a normal conversation, sounding merely a bit rueful about being steadily walloped, as she's whacking away vigorously. He may be a good guy with an ironic sense of humor, but IMHO he's lacking as a spankee for fantasy purposes.

OTOH, Audrey does some exciting spankings of female victims, making them wail and beg her to stop (in vain, of course), and her strict admonitions to them, plus her resolute facial expression as she disciplines the ladies, certainly make me wish I were in their pulled-down panties--fantasywise anyway.

The "John and Heather" videos from Nu-West certainly show the male spankee (John) carrying on quite vocally, but he does so from the first whack of the paddle or strap--I'd like to see him at least making an initial effort, even if a token one, at controlling himself before being broken down into wailing and begging. IMHO the female spanker (Heather) is competent at creating a quasi-maternal 'feel' via her curt lecturing to her victim, who is supposedly her considerably younger husband.

BTW, I enjoy Dana Kane's short, light-hearted 'product testing' videos (on her site), and I've even purchased a couple implements based on them--there's no fantasy or roleplay involved, just the approach that when a woman spanks a man in the real world, it's almost always because he has 'bottomish' tendencies and desires such treatment. AFAIC her smug, breezy, playful attitude, even as she's making her spankee wriggle and yelp, would be fun to experience. One has to be in the right (playful rather than punitive) mood to imagine squirming and squealing in the nude as she smilingly 'experiements' with an implement on what she calls her "bottom's bottom." On occasion, I like the concept that I'm being chastised by a female who likes me and is rewarding me for being a 'good boy,' yet is enjoying herself and is amused by my moderately pained reactions to her solid spanks--which is how I'm 'whupped' in RL when I can manage it. (Unlike pygyos, I appreciate not seeing the male recipient's face, which makes it easier to fantasize being the guy myself.)

As in many of my stories, I'm gratified by F/M videos in which there are two or more womanly disciplinarians 'ganging up' on one hapless male spankee, increasing his embarrassment and their mutual delight... --C.K.
3 June 2012 21:14
otkspk said...
Right on - i've often wondered about why spanking material often seems to be written and created by people with no real interest in it, with the exceptions that you mentioned. Maybe it's because most "real" people who are into it have their other lives/jobs, whereas the people who produce the stuff do it as a sideline to the other adult material they produce. I have to say that it's gotten much better in the past 10 years or so though.
3 June 2012 22:35
kamazzy said...
I totally agree with Rollin here - I love F/M stories but the videos are generally pathetic. You do see on Spanking Tube some real guys getting it from their wives or girlfriends and not being so stoic - but the professoinal model stuff is simply awful - with no realistic reactions.
11 June 2012 15:54
Zachory said...
Clint's videos are watchable because he can really sell the spanking. It looks like he genuinely does not want to be there. With most of the models it looks like it's no big deal. But more than that, the biggest difference is that Clint looks like he's engaged with the spanker on a personal level, that there's more going on between the two of them than the pain of the blows, e.g. embarrassment at being spanked, or resenting being subordinate.

Spanking Tube does have a few good amateur videos but they're small in number compared to the large number of good M/F videos.

Dana Kane's sub is also pretty good but he clearly wants to limit his exposure on video.
29 June 2012 03:49
Shadowspnk said...
I think the failure to make a sound is the macho "seeing how much I can take without reacting" However, there are some ladies who can pass that point rather quickly.
4 July 2012 21:27
jdspanked said...
I just saw this discussion, and I agree with many of the comments. It would be nice to see a guy react more to the spanking, and it is also nice to see some teasing, warmup and verbal sparring between the man and the woman.

Depending on the scenario being filmed, it has always surprised me that the guy doesn't get a raging erection, being stripped naked in front of an attractive woman - I certainly would!
27 November 2012 02:24
turk said...
Very good analysis Rollin, the old guy playing the teen is not viable. You address several great points and this is a well researched item. I have watched F/M and truthfully have been disappointed with many but the few are worth it. Thanks. Turk.
27 June 2013 17:16
BaronAshpodel said...
While I'm not a huge fan of F/M videos I do watch them on occasion and for the most part they are frankly terrible. The two exceptions are a Wellspanked model named Johnson who could never be called stotic, in fact he sometimes comes across as over the top, and some of the videos on Pandora Blake's site. The video she mentioned in the comment was of a very high quality and I've seen a few more with that model that I liked. Then again I've been a fan of her work and writing for years so I may be a bit biased.
30 June 2013 00:27
badgnome said...
Bingo ... you smacked it out of the park. The casting (big guy over petite lap) and lack of action from the male has put the current crop of videos in a not to be watched mode. Do the makers of these understand what is missing ?
3 July 2013 06:09
dweebdotcom said...
I agree with Miss Pandora Blake and would like to express my deepest gratitude for her efforts and dedication. Thank you.
3 July 2013 16:46
Bogiephil1 said...
Hi Rollin,

I completely agree with your article in every facet. I am an F/m fan primarily. I enjoy seeing an attractive woman's bottom spanked but for entirely different reasons, mainly, I LOVE women's asses (and women in general). My preference in writing as well as viewing, is female authority figures (moms especially) spanking juvenile males (or even girls sometimes) in a domestic scenario. Needless to say, this complicates getting video clips because, for me, the spankee has to at least look remotely like he's young enough to get spanked against his will by his "Mom", not just a sub who likes being dominated by a woman. I like to imagine a teenager or young man being spanked. A middle-aged or slightly younger full-grown man with more hair on his ass than on his head doesn't do it for me. I also prefer my spankers to be more "mature", like a real mom, and to scold a bit as well.

I remember some of the vids you referenced, like the "Bobby/Clint/John" ones. He was very believable in the spankee role. It was the spanker that kind of threw me off as she didn't look old enough to be his mother. Still, she was a good scolder, often yelling at him at the same time she was whacking him with a hairbrush or paddle and he was begging her to stop.

I think Pandora Blake and Nimue have what it takes (size for one thing) to be excellent "maternal style" spankers, although most of the stuff I' ve seen with Pandora has her as a bottom. Clare Fonda was good, although a bit on the petite side for my satisfaction. Kelly Payne is the same: an excellent spanker and scolder but tiny. Snow Mercy definitely has what it takes and has a wonderful merciless (hence the screen persona?) quality. Julie Simone is another who I could imagine as a stern mommy. Unfortunately, she has so many tattoos when she's wearing short sleeves, it ruins the fantasy for me. Dana Specht is great at many roles, getting a little long in the tooth to play a mommy to a young spankee though. Perhaps a strict grandmother? One of my all time faves, unfortunately now deceased was Janet Beckwith.

One of my pet peeves in both F/M and M/F vids is the tendency for so many of the actors to be adorned with copious (and intrusive) tattoos. When they're supposed to be innocent schoolgirls or naughty boys, having multiple piercings and garish "tramp stamps" and leg and ankle tattoos kind of ruins the image.

Your comments all ring true to me. Many, if not all female spank models seem to have no trouble registering their reactions, verbally as well as physically (including facial expressions of pain and distress). It's a shame there's so few "Davids" out there now. Collegeboy's comment on some of the M/M sites also rings true. Even though they are mostly homoerotic in nature, a lot of the spank models would work out well in F/M videos as most are young-appearing and don't seem to be too reluctant to have visible and audible reactions when they're being punished.
12 July 2013 08:54
tysout said...
Hi Rollin,
you are absolutely spot on.
I've been a F/Mm fan for just over forty years now and have been frustrated by this failing since the mid 70's.
I think one of the main problems is that you know the guys' are stronger than the women.Regardless of how well acted the scene is ( and that's not very often ) we know that if the man really wanted to he could easily break away from any spanking.

Then you have the silly costumes. Female spankees nearly always look the part with uniforms that fit properly. The men however dress in schoolcaps that are too small, shorts that are too tight and socks that stop three inches below their knees. They look like pantomime characters.
The Montrose Academy is a perfect example of this. Fantastic dominant female spankers and caners dealing with schoolboy caricatures.

As for these guys' filming numerous scenes on the same day, I've seen males with sticking plasters or surgical tape on their backsides trying to portray schoolboys or teenagers being caned by teacher or spanked by Aunty for the first time.

Moving on to acting skills...well we know their not professional thespians but then neither am I.
I do however throw myself into the role when I occasionally visit a pro-dom. If i can do it why can't they?

The frustrating thing is that a massive percentage of F/M videos are dungeon set and/or feature a plethora of chains, thigh boots and leather. Whereas all I ( and I don't think I'm alone here ) want to see are normally dressed women in domestic or educational settings.

Honestly, I could go on for ever on this subject, it has driven me mad for decades now.

I've promised myself that if I win the lottery I'll produce the kind of film that I want to see. And what's more I'll make them free to view for all members of the LOSF.

Yet again this magnificant site has made me realise that there are others out there just like me.

Thanks Rollin.

14 July 2013 04:14
mybottomburns said...
Amen.
22 August 2014 01:47
Nobby said...

I'm a switch, so like most variations other than m/m (it's just a taste thing!). I love the old Nu West films, and Pandora has some great videos. With the latter (and this certainly isn't a criticism) I find it difficult to enjoy f/m spanking videos where the spankee comes across as gay or camp (and I'm certainly not a homophobe). I just think that there needs to be some subtle sexual tension between female spanker and male spankee. Not sex, just the tension!
8 September 2014 19:05
whitmont2000 said...
I agree with your observations about F/M and the lack of reaction of a male subs. Frequently, we see the female dom lighting the backside of a completely quiet male. There is one set of amateur videos on Spank Tube where the wife spanks her husband to tears with a paddle. As a substitute, I find myself enjoying F/F or M/F more, although as a male I looking for videos of men getting a well tanned backside.
8 September 2014 21:56
SeriousWhimsy said...
I agree with all the above, and I even have the arrogance to think that I could do a MUCH better "acting" job as a male sub.

The problem is I am too nervous about my professional life to show my face.

Oh well.
3 November 2014 21:26
TerryL said...
IMO the best F/M are wife/husband scenes with a sense of love and good relationship between them where she takes charge and spanks away.
16 November 2014 00:50
frogwizard said...
So true
29 November 2014 08:38
Magnum said...
Let's consider that the "market" has an opening - albeit that the RS folks had a couple (Kaylee among them) just going to town on a very stoic YM strapped to their "bench" in the basement. Kaylee does note that she had spanked women with much more tolerance. And, she wasn't holding back.

Maybe one or another of us paying subs should see if there's a way to shoot a session - a camera or two on tripods and a good mic ought to give enough copy to produce 15 min.
27 December 2014 08:56
tuppy said...
I agree that so many of the subs seem to be incapable of reaction ... just a bottomless well of receiving.
12 March 2015 11:24
BlooDenim said...
Hmmmm... Coming late to this discussion, but hoping this hasn't all been said before..

I noticed someone mentioned Audrey Knight, she does good spanking vids of her with her happy partner Stefan, they both love spanking and being spanked. No punches pulled there!

I have just purchased a video from "Sparklyprod" who I found on Spanking tube.
Lady 'M' and Bond.
Not only does she enjoy teasing and marking him, but he enjoys it too and is constantly erect and does on occasion cum on film. Unlike some sacks of potatoes, he does squirm and whine whilst being punished, but I suspect I would in his place.

I do agree with SeriousWhimsy but as long as my face weren't shown I would love to make such a video. I suspect that's more my ego and sub-side rather than my skills as a thesp, but I do thesp a bit in "rl" so hey, who knows?
8 August 2017 11:23

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